tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post1899894609316866348..comments2023-09-06T01:08:43.420-07:00Comments on Wesleyan Arminian: "Fun" Calvinist Quotes on Arminian TheologyKevin Jacksonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13472900037134045450noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-30053777747415145102010-04-06T17:54:12.280-07:002010-04-06T17:54:12.280-07:00Qsmith, thanks for stopping by.
There are some A...Qsmith, thanks for stopping by. <br /><br />There are some Arminians who believe it is impossible to forfeit salvation, we are not all decided on the matter (although I am) Check out <a href="http://sites.google.com/site/osasarminian/" rel="nofollow">OSAS Arminian </a> for more on this view.<br /><br />I believe that believers are elected in Christ. The Father chose Christ before the foundation of the world. Christ is the elect one. We are saved in Him. Those who trust in Christ are saved and are corporately elected in Him. If we cease to trust in Christ, we no longer have grounds to be saved. Thus, one cannot "lose" salvation, but one can deliberately forfeit it by ceasing to trust in Christ. It is only in Him and through Him that we have eternal life.Kevin Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13472900037134045450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-17980533466409735672010-04-06T09:42:16.398-07:002010-04-06T09:42:16.398-07:00I find it amusing that mr. guthrie said that spurg...I find it amusing that mr. guthrie said that spurgeon was calvinist because his family was. this is not ture. in john pipers book the pleasures of God chapter 6 it gives an account of charles spurgeon belief in election and how it came about. do i myself consider either calvinism or arminianism heresy... NO, but i do believe in Election by God's choice and not our own. we have no choice because sin corrupts us so much that our free will only choses evil. so we have no way of chosing anything righteous. i just find it intreesting that armminians belive in losing your salvation... can someone explain that to me. i believe christ blood is unremovable AMEN!!! if you have felt like you lost your salvation, you are either given to a reprobate mind or you were not genuine in the first place. all in all the goal of a beliver (weather you are arminian or calvinist) is to glorify God and to evangelize the world.qsmith90https://www.blogger.com/profile/00140614942571085211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-59743269919386878762010-03-28T22:31:22.186-07:002010-03-28T22:31:22.186-07:00Glad you enjoyed it anonymous. Sometimes making l...Glad you enjoyed it anonymous. Sometimes making light is the best thing to do. :)Kevin Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13472900037134045450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-71374093516848069032010-03-28T02:44:36.846-07:002010-03-28T02:44:36.846-07:00This post is genius. It's funny. But on a more...This post is genius. It's funny. But on a more serious note, when I'm really sad (or crying) because of mean things that Calvinists actually do say to me, I read this and it makes me take what they say less seriously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-83212315693642989872009-10-16T12:44:50.544-07:002009-10-16T12:44:50.544-07:00Very enjoyable blog. I have often come across the ...Very enjoyable blog. I have often come across the disparagement of Arminians (or anyone who disagrees) by calvinists. Sometimes it's more subtle, and sometimes it isn't, but more often than not there is an attitude among them. Because of it, I have never had any shortage of calvinist quotes similar to these ones you posted. It was refreshing to hear your humorous commentary on them.Skarlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00703872383624167339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-76372458713868140412009-08-16T17:36:26.357-07:002009-08-16T17:36:26.357-07:00When Calvinist apologists starting calling their b...When Calvinist apologists starting calling their beliefs "Biblical Christianity" and anything else "un-Christian," I generally get turned off. I do have Calvinist friends who sincerely believe that it doesn't matter, and I wish some of their leaders had such humbled and less schismatic views.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04232209481041145155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-65610989549042680802009-08-12T08:40:11.927-07:002009-08-12T08:40:11.927-07:00Thanks Kevin for posting this. I do get troubled ...Thanks Kevin for posting this. I do get troubled by the sort of remarks made by MacArthur, Sproul, Spurgeon etc. They are slanderous and arrogant. Such attitudes are nworthy of a servant of Christ and it is no way to treat brothers who happen to disagree with you. <br /><br />Let us be better than this when opposing their point of view. <br /><br />By the way I've posted more on Spurgeon's "Eloquent Hogwash" on my blog.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05639874602120907683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-58624795821548130692009-08-05T00:53:14.867-07:002009-08-05T00:53:14.867-07:00Thanks AM, glad you enjoyed it.Thanks AM, glad you enjoyed it.Kevin Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13472900037134045450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-80945401551084478172009-08-04T17:37:52.455-07:002009-08-04T17:37:52.455-07:00Absolutely great! That made my evening.
Thanks!Absolutely great! That made my evening.<br />Thanks!A.M. Malletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17354778419074793522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-38805667632793437572009-08-04T17:34:55.255-07:002009-08-04T17:34:55.255-07:00Without crazy and fun you're left with just me...Without crazy and fun you're left with just mental. :)Kevin Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13472900037134045450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-23281199056269097542009-08-04T16:51:11.054-07:002009-08-04T16:51:11.054-07:00Awesome post and commentary Kevin! These guys put ...Awesome post and commentary Kevin! These guys put the crazy fun into crazed fundamentalism!J.C. Thibodauxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12884600822119690931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-61206506912008314342009-08-02T13:23:19.090-07:002009-08-02T13:23:19.090-07:00Mr. Guthrie, I didn't know that about Spurgeon...Mr. Guthrie, I didn't know that about Spurgeon, very interesting. There's a lot to admire about him. He was no doubt a gifted preacher used by God. He seems to be to have been a reluctant and inconsistent Calvinist - which is a good thing. :)Kevin Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13472900037134045450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-14305148143012005392009-08-02T12:56:24.647-07:002009-08-02T12:56:24.647-07:00Spurgeon was actually saved in an Arminian church....Spurgeon was actually saved in an Arminian church. On his way to church a snow storm prevented him from reaching his destination. So he entered the first church he came to which turned out to be a Primitive Methodist Church. The sermon was preached by an uneducated layman. It was then that Spurgeon first really understood the Gospel and became a disciple. See:http://www.christianitytoday.com/ch/1991/issue29/2908.html?start=3<br />Personally I think Spurgeon knew better concerning Arminianism but was loyal to Calvinism because of his family background and religious instruction.Mr. Guthriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13789464810788711789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-17047301232850412432009-08-01T22:41:55.825-07:002009-08-01T22:41:55.825-07:00Thanks Roy and Jnorm.Thanks Roy and Jnorm.Kevin Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13472900037134045450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-35567464351346295322009-08-01T20:19:55.631-07:002009-08-01T20:19:55.631-07:00Thanks for posting this
Jnorm888Thanks for posting this<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Jnorm888Jnormhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06749159886390240183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-43125938928996973962009-08-01T19:14:25.970-07:002009-08-01T19:14:25.970-07:00Wow! You did your homework for those quotes. Gre...Wow! You did your homework for those quotes. Great stuff. I have seen many of them but loved your commentary on them. How sad that you were being funny while they were being dead serious.The Seeking Disciplehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10850752852586928341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-84354433650506110152009-08-01T17:08:29.276-07:002009-08-01T17:08:29.276-07:00Hi Dan, wow, I hadn't heard that one. Luther ...Hi Dan, wow, I hadn't heard that one. Luther was way out there sometimes.<br /><br />Brennon, No reference to Triablogue. I don't visit that site anymore. They act too much like the people quoted above. :) <br /><br />The Wesley brothers were very hard on Calvinism, that is true. Like the quote that Calvinist doctrine makes God worse than the devil. The distinction I see is that the Wesleys were hard on the Calvinist doctrine and gracious to Calvinists themselves.<br /><br />On the flip side, Calvinists often make it personal. In the case of the Wesley brothers, it's interesting to read Toplady's stuff against them. You can feel his personal hatred of the Wesleys. He had it out for them.<br /><br />On the other hand, Whitefield deserves props. He was a very kind and gracious person.Kevin Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13472900037134045450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-77384961372934091462009-08-01T15:13:30.583-07:002009-08-01T15:13:30.583-07:00Funny stuff, Kevin, lol. Is this in response to wh...Funny stuff, Kevin, lol. Is this in response to what the Triabloguers posted from the Wesley brothers?bossmanhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14787721955360743058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-85452279495237246722009-08-01T12:27:00.608-07:002009-08-01T12:27:00.608-07:00Here's another:
Luther (Bondage of the Will):...Here's another:<br /><br />Luther (Bondage of the Will):Where is the God by nature most merciful? Where is He who "willeth not the death of a sinner?" Has He then created us for this purpose only, that He might delight Himself in the torments of men? And many things of the same kind, which will be howled forth by the damned in hell to all eternity. <br /><br />http://www.truecovenanter.com/truelutheran/luther_bow.html#conc<br /><br />I ain't laughing!<br /><br />God be with you,<br />DanGodismyjudgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05310455924556730920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-29202437854344839602009-08-01T09:11:47.972-07:002009-08-01T09:11:47.972-07:00Thanks for the comments guys. Joking around only ...Thanks for the comments guys. Joking around only gets me so far, but it's better than getting all worked up.<br /><br />Donald, very true. I think the C "air of superiority" is really a type of pride. Which is ironic, because C's frequently charge A's with pride. :)<br /><br />Bob, I think C adds determinism to the Gospel. Or put another way, it makes determinism the Gospel.Kevin Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13472900037134045450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-34233751404673948662009-08-01T05:37:21.942-07:002009-08-01T05:37:21.942-07:00Kevin,
Your ability to lightly and humorously int...Kevin,<br /><br />Your ability to lightly and humorously interact with such disparaging remarks is refreshing and entertaining.<br /><br />What troubles me the most is the fact that many Calvinist's claim either explicitly or implicitly that Calvinism is the gospel. Are not these men in danger of adding to the gospel?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2159101388355001570.post-54446341581350430942009-08-01T04:34:57.693-07:002009-08-01T04:34:57.693-07:00I love the humor..But am I sickened by those claim...I love the humor..But am I sickened by those claims. Even when I used to read Sproul and MacArthur I had never heard those quotes.<br /><br />When I used to consider myself a moderate calvinist I never held that view.<br /><br />It's the air of superiority, this more intelligent-than-thou that helped lead me right out of that sordid camp.<br /><br />It's actually sad. But these supposed great scholars, great expositors, beloved teachers have the audicity to call christians barely saved, heretics, hard pressed to say they are christians.<br /><br />Yet they obscure simple verses of the bible like John 3:16 or 1 Timothy 4:10. <br /><br />Okay I'm barely saved, but I know the simple truths of scripture, that whosever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. And that the word world means what it means, as well as the word all.DonaldHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02705613540137166981noreply@blogger.com